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Corba supports gambling/change rank shop

Discussion in 'In-game Suggestions' started by elaineandsparky, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. elaineandsparky

    elaineandsparky Well-Known Member Builder Registered

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    Firstly I apologise if this is in the wrong thread but I felt it the best thread to put it in as I think more of a discussion needs to be had and as it is two points rolled into one and no real answer to the problem I didn't think the suggestion thread was right and using the format would look messy.


    So as to my first point that Corba supports gambling, especially that Dimitra crate on Lothar! This is a family friendly server with a lot of youngsters playing and the current crate system not only supports but encourages gambling. Is it actually legal for children to gamble? I know in the UK you have to be 16 to buy a lottery ticket or scratch card. Either way, to encourage it is morally wrong. You could argue that a parent, guardian or other adult would have to buy the keys for the child but isn't that passing on the responsibility and how many parents would actually understand what they are buying their child when they ask?

    Then you have adults with gambling habits which are very addictive and can destroy lives.

    Lets use the Dimitra crate on Lothar as an example:

    You spend $37 on 10 keys and (I assume most people) hope that you land on money or decent armour/tools but you could actually end up with 50 iron blocks, yes that is less than a stack!, 20 gold blocks, or even 10 Emerald blocks!!! Now I don't know anyone that would be happy with 10 Emerald blocks for $37!
    So you spend money hoping for one thing but get something else and of far less value, aka gamble.

    Now to make matters even worse, once you have gotten your chosen rank/the one you can afford the only real way of supporting the server with donations further is to buy crate keys/gamble. (Claim blocks in the buy store are ridiculously expensive)

    Now one solution would be to change what is in the crates so no matter what you land on you would be happy with what you got but I personally would like the crate keys removed from the rank shop and kept only for voting. Yes that does still allow people to gamble but at least it is only with in-game money through buying them from other people.



    Now to my second point in that crate keys are really the only other way of supporting the server further once you have your rank. (Again claim blocks are too expensive)

    I would like to see other things for sale in the shop, but admittidly this is where I'm coming up short with suggestions and need others input.

    One idea I did have is to have is to have time limited commands, an example would be something like /feed (player name) so people can heal their friends or help out others. This would have a time limit on it such as once every hour and the ability to do this would only last a week or month.

    Another option would be to have what is in the crates available to buy directly such as a full set of Zeus gear or tools.

    What are other peoples thoughts or am I the only one with this opinion? :)
     
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  2. Alice [?]

    Alice [?] S̴av͜e ͝me͟ ̀f̴ŕo͡m ̴m̸y̡ mind Staff Member Forums Overseer Moderator Registered

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    First, I would like to state that both of these are completely separate from each other and I would please like you to have one or the other in your thread...or make another suggestion for the other. (Both have too much discussion to be put in one)

    Second, I have moved your thread to the appropriate area because it's in regards to suggestions.

    Third, I'm a little confused on what you are really saying. Most minecraft servers have some sort of crate system that involves a gamble. Also, we have rules in place for perfectly LEGAL gamble systems on our server that is in NO WAY involved with real life currency. So again...I'm just confused on your first two paragraphs.

    The crates are not some sort of illegal gambling business. It's the same kind of scenario as if you put in a quarter in a gumball machine, and the chances of you getting your favorite blue gumball compared to say a common white one.

    People can support the server by voting, which is completely free. They can also support the server by buying ranks, which is always consistent with what you are offered (more commands, money, keys for crates possibly) and no gambling is needed.

    Overall, I will wait for more discussion on this matter.
     
  3. elaineandsparky

    elaineandsparky Well-Known Member Builder Registered

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    Sorry I didn't explain myself properly.

    Firstly, You pay real money to buy a key hoping to get one thing from it and end up getting another. - Gambling.

    Secondly AFTER you've brought your rank and WANT to donate more money to the server you can only do so by buying chest keys. There is no other way to donate real money to the server for those who want to.
     
  4. Alice [?]

    Alice [?] S̴av͜e ͝me͟ ̀f̴ŕo͡m ̴m̸y̡ mind Staff Member Forums Overseer Moderator Registered

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    How is this any different to say Call of Duty with their keys and crates? How is this different then say my gumball example?

    It's not gambling. It's a raffle, a lottery. You pay for a one-time use ticket to hopefully get a good prize or you strike out.

    Gambling definition: play games of chance for money; bet. Essentially, gambling is putting in money to get even more money in return.

    Lottery definition: a means of raising money by selling numbered tickets and giving prizes to the holders of numbers drawn at random. You pay money for a key for a chance at a prize.
     
  5. LB_Firelord

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    I agree with @Alice [?] because there are differences between gambling for more than what you put in but voting keys are like a blind trade where you could use your key depending on if the crate is good or not yet for gambling its just one pacific thing and that's money so these crates would be in the loot box category where loot boxes and gambling although are similar they are not the same thing.
     
  6. PattonSteel

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    @OP

    You cant really call it gambling although it definitely feels a lot like it. Here's the difference:
    Gambling: Buy in to participate > Play > Come away with your prize or loss
    Lottery: Buy in to participate > Come away with your prize or loss
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    A lottery skips the playing step and goes right to the prize. One of the biggest reasons why this isn't illegal is that there's a process to gambling in order to get your prize whereas with a lottery there's no game or 'enjoyment' to it.

    The other big reason is that in a lottery generally there's a very clear understanding that there's a winner no matter what.

    I think what OP is really saying is that the keys may not be the best thing to sell on the network due to the younger age group which can easily be deluded into thinking that buying keys in itself is akin to a game, and more to the point may not be able to control themselves when buying the keys.

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  7. elaineandsparky

    elaineandsparky Well-Known Member Builder Registered

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    Saying that it is ok because other games do it is not a valid excuse. When has it ever been ok to do anything just because someone else does it!

    Taken from Wiki: Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize.[1] The outcome of the wager is often immediate, such as a single roll of dice, a spin of a roulette wheel, or a horse crossing the finish line, but longer time frames are also common, allowing wagers on the outcome of a future sports contest or even an entire sports season.


    Money - Tick that box.
    Event - Tick that box - Opening the crate.
    Uncertain outcome - Tick that box - we don't know what we will get.
    Winning money or material goods - Tick that box, although it is virtual goods.
    Consideration - Tick that box - I want this but shall I risk getting that instead and buy it anyway.
    Chance - Tick that box - You don't know what you are getting.
    Prize - Tick that box - We are getting something for our money but we don't know what.
    The outcome of the wager is often immediate - Tick that box - The crates are a virtual roulette wheel.
     
  8. Alice [?]

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    The only thing I see from this is to just take the whole crate system out, which would then take away from donating to the server completely beyond ranks.

    Because while you did make the argument to keep it to just voting crates, then people would be using in-game money to pay for the keys...which really is the same situation you described, but taking the real money out.

    Let me then pick-apart the wiki definition (which I do not consider a reliable source because anyone can alter it).

    Money - Yes, it's real life money. How would this be different with in-game money, as you defined in your definition would be alternative? Still money.
    Event - Yes, one event.
    Uncertain outcome - Yes, uncertain outcome of only what we get. Not uncertain outcome that you'd win. You will always win SOMETHING.
    Winning money or goods - This is the same with a raffle.
    Consideration - Confused on what you mean by your comment here.
    Chance - Is this any different than taking place in an event? You have a chance at winning
    Prize - Again, you always win something...

    Again, I'm confused on what you are wanting beyond moving to be voting only. Because...this would still be gambling then, but we would replace money with a key. A key that we can obtain free of charge with voting or using MONEY (not real money, but still) to obtain the key to still do gambling. You are using something OF VALUE to use the crates...

    By your logic, I am gambling when I put my quarter in that gumball machine to get my gumball. I'm not paying to get food/candy: I'm gambling.
     
  9. elaineandsparky

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    I did state in my original post that still having the crates just for voting would still be classed as gambling.

    Completely different to events, as you are not putting real money in to events so you are not risking/gambling anything.

    My first post also stated what I saw happening instead, have something we can buy for real money other than crate keys. But, again, this is where I came up short with suggestions other than the two I already mentioned.
     
  10. LB_Firelord

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    ok I found two videos that enlighten us more on stuff such as loot crates/boxes telling us more about exactly what happens so idk if this will help but meh here are the two videos telling us what happens and then we can put more comparisons and the opposites of what happens.



     
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  11. elaineandsparky

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    Well that certainly opened my eyes! I never knew there was a whole legal debate on loot boxes with some countries agreeing that it is gambling and demanding that they are removed! Of course, the game developers don't agree and maybe it does just come down to personal opinions.
     
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  12. PackTehKartoshka

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    On this i honestly don't agree with you thats its a "gambling" server.
    Dimitra crate keys and other crate keys can be earned by playing the game and doing /vote

    It's very optional i know players who never spend a single penny on CC and they'we in a point where they owned a rank on KING which was around 2.5mil to buy

    Like i said. its optional and you're not force to buy any keys.
     
  13. elaineandsparky

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    If you don't agree that is fine but I don't understand your reason why.

    I've never used a slot machine so does that mean that slot machines aren't gambling?

    I've never said people are forced to buy them as clearly you are not.

    Just because you don't have to use the crates doesn't change whether they are a gamble or not or am I missing something?
     
  14. LB_Firelord

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    well all of this is technically just our opinion because loot crates and stuff like that you are always getting something, meanwhile gambaling you have a chance to earn less than what you put in or more, please for better under standing please watch some small clips of the two videos because although you may not need to, it really helps us put this done with a good conlusion.
     

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